I have a medium Alice pack in back of my Xterra now. I just loaded some of my winter gear in it. I'll have to make a list of what is inside as it changes all the time from adding to it. I also have a EDC bag that I keep in the front seat with a few items in it. Behind the front seat I have a spare ammo container with some food, water, a hand cranked radio with weather band and flashlight. Every door on the Xterra has a LED flashlight. One for each member in my house.
Bags, G.H.B or B.O.B. what is in yours?
- Thread starter tommyboy
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- Location
- Morrison, CO
Hose them out with brake cleaner. What usually makes you sick is the lead still in the box due to the ends of the bullets rubbing against the side. Then the slight amount of wax preservative and oil that coats the casings to keep moisture out of the powder can make you sick too.
I'd grab a can of non-chorinated brake cleaner and hose everything out, including the lid. Then wipe the insides down with a good cleaner, like windex or mineral oil, call it good. Make sure any edibles are sealed good, you're good to go.
I'd grab a can of non-chorinated brake cleaner and hose everything out, including the lid. Then wipe the insides down with a good cleaner, like windex or mineral oil, call it good. Make sure any edibles are sealed good, you're good to go.
- Location
- SW OK & formerly Eastern NM
What about brand new containers?
- Location
- Morrison, CO
Those should be good. They'll most likely be treated with an oil or, I've only witnessed it once, a light coating of cosmoline. Then it should be cleaned out with very hot water and soap, then coated gently with the mineral oil on the inside.
Inside of the box is lined with some camo fabric I had. The food I have in it is in a sealed zip lock bag. Thanks for the info, I haven't heard anything about that.I've hear that the ammo containers, the green ones, have a chemical in them that will absorb into the food and make you sick. ? ????
I read it on the Internet so it must be true.
I did clean the inside with Windex. After that I lined the entire inside with fabric I had laying around. Everything I have in the box is in it's own zip lock bag.Hose them out with brake cleaner. What usually makes you sick is the lead still in the box due to the ends of the bullets rubbing against the side. Then the slight amount of wax preservative and oil that coats the casings to keep moisture out of the powder can make you sick too.
I'd grab a can of non-chorinated brake cleaner and hose everything out, including the lid. Then wipe the insides down with a good cleaner, like windex or mineral oil, call it good. Make sure any edibles are sealed good, you're good to go.
Thanks Cyclemut! I have a .50 cal box full of beans and rice that I have to throw out because I didn't know to clean it out before hand. But I've been rotating stuff out for about two years now, so over decided to go all m.r.e. s and freeze dried. Finally got the wife on board!
- Location
- North Alabama
Thanks Cyclemut! I have a .50 cal box full of beans and rice that I have to throw out because I didn't know to clean it out before hand. But I've been rotating stuff out for about two years now, so over decided to go all m.r.e. s and freeze dried. Finally got the wife on board!
Why not just use a food grade 5 gallon bucket?
http://www.lowes.com/pd_356492-1152-51640_0__
- Location
- Morrison, CO
I like the ammo boxes for throwing them in the truck, personally. I can fit several in there, with different scenarios in mind (camping vs. survival vs. wheeling, etc.) and can mix and match what I bring.
For storage at home, I prefer the 5 gallon buckets. And they're usually sealed up really tight, being good for 20+ years.
For storage at home, I prefer the 5 gallon buckets. And they're usually sealed up really tight, being good for 20+ years.
- Location
- Morrison, CO
Luke uses the ammo tins for wheeling tool boxes. I use them for ammo.
Ammo? Now there's a novel idea!
That's what I plan on using my smaller 200 count box for. I don't want a huge tool box in the back and they have a bit of coolness to them alsoLuke uses the ammo tins for wheeling tool boxes. I use them for ammo.
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just started mine, with my old travel backpack, i've been keeping an eye on bags like this on amazon so i can replace my bag now. also netting it to my driver rear window so it doesn't take up space.
BigTim55
Banned
- Location
- San Antonio
I need to start my b.o.b
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figured it gives me something to do and i can add randomly without making it in a rush.
Kuroi_Tora
Bought an X
- Location
- West Texas/Southern New Mexico
Roflmfao!
jmnielsen
Need Bigger Tires
- Location
- Lincoln, NE
I guess I missed the joke?:confuseded:
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
For all of you getting started in building a Bug out bag, sportsmansguide.com has a used marine corps assault pack which I'd say is perfect. Look up part number D3N-281748. It's only $30 and it's a 1520 cubic inch capacity bag, and should fit you fine as a bugout bag.
Your bug out bag should be something that your GHB can attach to if possible, and do NOT duplicate items unless they're stackable.
Bug out bag rules:
1. Keep it light enough to carry without exerting yourself (hike 3-4 times a week with a double weight pack, at as much distance as your time allows)
2. Your Bag is ***YOUR*** supplies, each member of your party must have their own.
(Exception is for small children, obviously, spouses are NOT exempt, and neither are kids old enough to carry a backpack)
3. A bug out bag is meant to be 72 hours of survival supplies. Not 3 weeks, not 24 hours, 3 days. That's it. If you can't make it to a hole up location where your longer term supplies are located within 72 hours, you're screwed. It's really that simple. If you want a longer term survival bag, build that, it's not a bug out, and has a totally different load out in mind.
4. Pack your bag based on expected climate and terrain. If you live in the mountains, pack a mountain survival bag, if you live in an arid/desert environment, pack differently.
5. Before you pack, PLAN. You should have 3-4 plans of action based upon different scenarios, and each one should have multiple contingencies. If 100% of your escape plans revolve around you having your xterra, 100% of your contingencies had better revolve around "oh crap my xterra's gone". Your "backup location" should be something you can realistically make within 3 days **ON FOOT**, preferably no more than 2 days hike.
6. Once you've established your plan of attack for movement/evasion and escape to a backup location, pack appropriately.
Remember, you're packing for your survival, don't go for luxury, go for small and light, especially for your tent/shelters. As Mac and Deeb can attest, I have a **massive** tent for everyday camping, my evac bag (note, not bugout bag, I have a larger evac bag) is getting a small 2 man "burrito" style tent, if you have room for this type of stuff in your bugout, you're doing great.
General ideas:
550 paracord: get it in a color complimentary to your terrain, and don't get off brand stuff, you want the quality kind. At least 100' of it, a 100' length of paracord should take little to no space, so, don't sweat it, better to have too much than not enough.
Knife: fixed blade, sharp, preferably not some gimmicky "survival knife". Remember, your life may depend on this, get a decent knife (as a rule, if you didn't spend at least $100 here, or if it has the name or logo of a TV star idiot "survivalist", you probably need a better knife)
Fire starter: one or more fire starter kits, preferably with some good dryer lint for tinder.
Hatchet: use if needed to gather small firewood, make it sharp, and the type that's thick and heavy (note: the smittybilt trail axe does NOT fit this role)
Sleeping bag/blanket/whatever: this is for on the run, I suggest an army style wool blanket. It'll dry easily, keep you warm even if wet, and, most importantly, it's small.
Clothing: 2-3 changes of clothing at most. If you're a BDU's type, make one of those changes of clothing a regular t-shirt and jeans. 4-5 pairs of socks are good too.
One extra pair of boots wouldn't hurt either.
Firearms: here's where I'm the odd one, do NOT put a gun in your BOB. You'll have your pistol in your GHB, and your rifle and ammo should be at your fall back location.
If you're walking through the streets with openly displayed guns, you won't get away, and if you're tearing a gun down (other than maybe a Henry AR-7 survival .22) you're wasting space.
Otherwise, you know your terrain.
Get the army survival manual, first aid manual, and SERE manual and read them, commit them to memory, and practice them. They'll serve you well.
Your bug out bag should be something that your GHB can attach to if possible, and do NOT duplicate items unless they're stackable.
Bug out bag rules:
1. Keep it light enough to carry without exerting yourself (hike 3-4 times a week with a double weight pack, at as much distance as your time allows)
2. Your Bag is ***YOUR*** supplies, each member of your party must have their own.
(Exception is for small children, obviously, spouses are NOT exempt, and neither are kids old enough to carry a backpack)
3. A bug out bag is meant to be 72 hours of survival supplies. Not 3 weeks, not 24 hours, 3 days. That's it. If you can't make it to a hole up location where your longer term supplies are located within 72 hours, you're screwed. It's really that simple. If you want a longer term survival bag, build that, it's not a bug out, and has a totally different load out in mind.
4. Pack your bag based on expected climate and terrain. If you live in the mountains, pack a mountain survival bag, if you live in an arid/desert environment, pack differently.
5. Before you pack, PLAN. You should have 3-4 plans of action based upon different scenarios, and each one should have multiple contingencies. If 100% of your escape plans revolve around you having your xterra, 100% of your contingencies had better revolve around "oh crap my xterra's gone". Your "backup location" should be something you can realistically make within 3 days **ON FOOT**, preferably no more than 2 days hike.
6. Once you've established your plan of attack for movement/evasion and escape to a backup location, pack appropriately.
Remember, you're packing for your survival, don't go for luxury, go for small and light, especially for your tent/shelters. As Mac and Deeb can attest, I have a **massive** tent for everyday camping, my evac bag (note, not bugout bag, I have a larger evac bag) is getting a small 2 man "burrito" style tent, if you have room for this type of stuff in your bugout, you're doing great.
General ideas:
550 paracord: get it in a color complimentary to your terrain, and don't get off brand stuff, you want the quality kind. At least 100' of it, a 100' length of paracord should take little to no space, so, don't sweat it, better to have too much than not enough.
Knife: fixed blade, sharp, preferably not some gimmicky "survival knife". Remember, your life may depend on this, get a decent knife (as a rule, if you didn't spend at least $100 here, or if it has the name or logo of a TV star idiot "survivalist", you probably need a better knife)
Fire starter: one or more fire starter kits, preferably with some good dryer lint for tinder.
Hatchet: use if needed to gather small firewood, make it sharp, and the type that's thick and heavy (note: the smittybilt trail axe does NOT fit this role)
Sleeping bag/blanket/whatever: this is for on the run, I suggest an army style wool blanket. It'll dry easily, keep you warm even if wet, and, most importantly, it's small.
Clothing: 2-3 changes of clothing at most. If you're a BDU's type, make one of those changes of clothing a regular t-shirt and jeans. 4-5 pairs of socks are good too.
One extra pair of boots wouldn't hurt either.
Firearms: here's where I'm the odd one, do NOT put a gun in your BOB. You'll have your pistol in your GHB, and your rifle and ammo should be at your fall back location.
If you're walking through the streets with openly displayed guns, you won't get away, and if you're tearing a gun down (other than maybe a Henry AR-7 survival .22) you're wasting space.
Otherwise, you know your terrain.
Get the army survival manual, first aid manual, and SERE manual and read them, commit them to memory, and practice them. They'll serve you well.
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Kuroi_Tora
Bought an X
- Location
- West Texas/Southern New Mexico
Dang, it didnt quote what made me laugh. I'll re-submit.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Tommyboy, can you find a decent metal full tang with a bulletproof warranty for under $20? Not that I've found...
Ka-bars don't even qualify in that catagory for me (they use a softer metal so it's easier to field sharpen)
I'd suggest something on par with a cold steel recon tanto. It's a very high grade steel that they prove they can abuse the hell out of.
The CRKT Ultima is the next one I'll buy, and will have it attached to the chest (inverted) of my plate carrier, or, my shoulder strap on my bag.
Kuroi_Tora
Bought an X
- Location
- West Texas/Southern New Mexico
Does this count?
THIS is what made me laugh so hard!
As soon as i got the xTARDIS, i replaced this almost pointless one with an equivalent sized kit from Red Cross local chapter office. Each vehicle we have has one in it. It's not a trauma kit but will do for most basic needs. I highly recommend that everyone be 1st Aid/CPR qualified if they do anything out "in the bush". And remember, only do what you can handle.
I carry a ghb (which is also my bob) that's a canvas rucksack with five days of mre's, a set of metal cookware/cupsand a bottle of tabasco, several cliff bars, a jar of peanut butter, an axe, a bokken, a collapsible cane, a rope clothes line, two blankets, and one of my katana in my X at all times. As i live in the Great Big Beach (western Texas desert), i also carry a camelback strapped (usually) to the back of the drivers seat, a spare, 2 water bottles, sunscreen, a baseball cap, pocket sized i-go battery operated phone chargers, maglights, and, of course, my ham n cb radios. Another reason to have handheld radios n antennae. I carry 3-5 days worth of dog food n their bowls in the Boxer's backpack (yes, she has her own backpack), lighters since i smoke but i also carry matches and a harbor freight fire-starter.
To add to my cover, I'm going to add a shemagh/khaffiyeh purty soon as its windy season out here. I really ought to throw in my ninja mask that came with my uniform. I used to carry it when i was in Montana for obvious reasons.
For very good personal reasons, i NEVER carry firearms. If i go out for more than 2 nights, i usually take my hungarian recurve horsebow, an extra bowstring, and a full quiver. I have a pilot's survival knife that my older brother gave me when i started in college rotc back in 1987 that has never let me down and my beloved finnish leuku (made by marttini, the best finnish knife maker) for my survival knives. The leuku rocks n replaced my tanto. A Saami friend taught me how to use it when i stayed with him and his family in Lappland many years ago. That's a story for another time, though. For no reason other than i'm a geek, i want the annihilator d-bar!!!
Oh yeah, don't forget that you can keep alot of small gear in your toolbox and can make a fast transfer if you need to do so. That's where i keep my knives, flashlights, fire starter, etc. my sonic screwdriver stays next to me in the arm rest/console.
What do y'all think about a backpacker's stove? My only concern is the butane/fuel with our summer temps possibly exploding in the back of the TARDIS. Or, if i can find one, an old school Army survival stove n some solid fuel tabs? Do they still exist?
Ok, tha's my addition to this convo!
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- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Agreed Casper, that's why I suggest military bags instead of the new civilian "tacticool" bags. The army and marines do their best to make sure their bags will be comfortable enough to carry a full combat load (5+ days of clothing, food, and your allotted ammo and supplies) for a week or more.
Hell, my army large ruck happily carried over 200lbs, and other than grunting it up, it was comfortable to carry, you didn't want it loaded that heavy obviously, but, you could. My unit's "annual road march" was a 75lb ruck for non-combat arms, and a 125lb ruck for combat arms, and was a 20 mile road march. If you took part you got a 3 day weekend if you got at least half way, 4 day pass for completing it, and the first 15 people got Friday through the next weekend's Sunday (10 day pass) without having to burn leave time. I participated twice, finished both years, and got 9th the second year. That was time off well deserved...
Hell, my army large ruck happily carried over 200lbs, and other than grunting it up, it was comfortable to carry, you didn't want it loaded that heavy obviously, but, you could. My unit's "annual road march" was a 75lb ruck for non-combat arms, and a 125lb ruck for combat arms, and was a 20 mile road march. If you took part you got a 3 day weekend if you got at least half way, 4 day pass for completing it, and the first 15 people got Friday through the next weekend's Sunday (10 day pass) without having to burn leave time. I participated twice, finished both years, and got 9th the second year. That was time off well deserved...
- Location
- SW OK & formerly Eastern NM
That's some good info hyde, one argument I have with the knife part (and this fits me as well as some others) would be wouldn't it be hard to spend $100+ on a knife that sits in a bag for emergencies only? I agree that having a dependable blade in this bag would definitely be a must because if you need the bag you sure as hell need the knife. So I propose you purchase the best fixed blade knife you can afford to leave in your bug out bag. :tunes:
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Realistically Mac, the good blade should be part of your GHB, this being a daily carry. A good machete or kukri knife would be a great addition to the bob.
Kuroi_Tora
Bought an X
- Location
- West Texas/Southern New Mexico
Oooh, kukri! May i also suggest that you not only gear up well but that you also LEARN TO USE YOUR GEAR? Practice wit' it and replace what you use. Practice often so that you know what you have and how to use it well and safely. This is like learning martial arts, practice realistically so that, if you ever unfortunately need it, you'll be efficient and effective. Don't carry a katana if you don't know how to fight with a sword.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
So totally true, that's why I say load out your bag, find out what it weighs, then take it back out and put about twice that weight in the pack and do hikes around as far as you want to go (or as far as you can) so you can see if the bag's gonna be inadequate for you...
Kuroi_Tora
Bought an X
- Location
- West Texas/Southern New Mexico
Yep, yep, and yep.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Not to mention it's awesome exercise
Kuroi_Tora
Bought an X
- Location
- West Texas/Southern New Mexico
I like how you said see if it'll be INadequate... No one ever really considers that angle.
jmnielsen
Need Bigger Tires
- Location
- Lincoln, NE
I basically have all of my backpacking gear stored in my pack, so that is one of my BOBs. The one I would carry. It weighs in at about 40lbs but that's with no water or food, just gear. I have backpacked through parts of Wyoming with it in the Wind River Mtn range loaded to about 70lbs and was fine on 15 mile days. Those weren't days of flat ground either. Lots of elevation change! Over my trips I've been able to weed out what is bad and not useful and get ideas on what I need. If you're serious about a BOB to carry gear and live for three days, give backpacking a shot. I can't imagine what would be any closer to the real deal than that.
Kuroi_Tora
Bought an X
- Location
- West Texas/Southern New Mexico
Yep! The short few years that i lived in Montana, i made a GHB because of snow n ice. It came in useful a few times (dead battery x1; stranded myself x2 doing amateur astronomy in mountains around Helena; slid verrrrry slowly into a deep ditchbank/snowbank x?gobble knows how many times?; etc). My Superfriend, Sean The Mighty Wondertwin, suggested it right after i got the xTardis because (a) I'm from the desert, (b) I've never had any kind of truck let alone a true 4x4, and (c) I'm a dumbass who'll get an impulsive idea and will just go with it to see if I can make it happen. He's no better, why do you think we got called the Wondertwins?!? It ain't cause we look alike! So the kit got tested about once a week in winter and it did very well. Now that we're back home in the sandbox, i'm still making changes to it to find the balance for climate differences.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
For those of you wanting a great knife and don't want to spend over $100 (per my previous post)
Here ya go, amazon.com has the one I'm buying, for just under $70, perfect if you have prime cause then you don't pay for shipping either.
Here ya go, amazon.com has the one I'm buying, for just under $70, perfect if you have prime cause then you don't pay for shipping either.
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- Location
- Amarillo, TX
well, I might have to take my endorsement of that knife back.
if you don't already have a decent "combat blade" or "tactical survival knife", you may love it. the grip was quite comfy, but, they only make it in a 5" blade now, and, since it was smaller than any of my other knives, and I already have a pair of folding knives that use that serration system, I didn't have a need for a knife like that.
I still like the knife, but, I just can't justify spending that much on a knife that doesn't do a phenominal job of replacing a knife I already have.
**IF** you get this knife, and you're planning on using it in a survival role, (or any decent knife for that matter) if it doesn't already have a very good kydex sheath, plan on buying the stuff to make yourself a kydex sheath for it for retention and security reasons. I like the nylon and leather sheathes, however, in the end, the no straps no BS side of a kydex sheath will always win out. if you're making it yourself, you get to choose how much "retention" it has as well...
if you don't already have a decent "combat blade" or "tactical survival knife", you may love it. the grip was quite comfy, but, they only make it in a 5" blade now, and, since it was smaller than any of my other knives, and I already have a pair of folding knives that use that serration system, I didn't have a need for a knife like that.
I still like the knife, but, I just can't justify spending that much on a knife that doesn't do a phenominal job of replacing a knife I already have.
**IF** you get this knife, and you're planning on using it in a survival role, (or any decent knife for that matter) if it doesn't already have a very good kydex sheath, plan on buying the stuff to make yourself a kydex sheath for it for retention and security reasons. I like the nylon and leather sheathes, however, in the end, the no straps no BS side of a kydex sheath will always win out. if you're making it yourself, you get to choose how much "retention" it has as well...
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- Location
- Amarillo, TX
ah hell, you can get the one I already have (and LOVE) for cheap on amazon too...
Cold Steel Recon Tanto
It's already got a kydex sheath, and stays nice and sharp too, I've used it to hack 2" tree limbs off and then still was able to shave arm hair with it.
Cold Steel Recon Tanto
It's already got a kydex sheath, and stays nice and sharp too, I've used it to hack 2" tree limbs off and then still was able to shave arm hair with it.
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Kuroi_Tora
Bought an X
- Location
- West Texas/Southern New Mexico
Good knife, very important. Here's my standing preference:
This is like mine:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-J-M...760?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item257fd59d10
Nice one here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marttiini-N...759?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item25786d5ba7
Or
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ONTARIO-499...942?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item5af2a4660e
Alot of folks have seen Marttini's as their fishing scaling knives are sold almost everywhere in US sporting goods/hunting shops.
Ok, stoves cause ya gotta cook n stay warm! My suggestions are...
For desert dwellers as in-vehicle temps in summer easily crest 110f by 100pm, i'd recommend these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ESBIT-Solid...203?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d0e1cc0e3
Or
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Single-Burn...482?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4846199ae2
Or
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Esbit-Campi...940?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a81ad8d54
For folks in cooler/cold areas:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSR-Pocket-...329?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4852595849
Or
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSR-Whisper...509&pid=100005&prg=1088&rk=2&sd=310619232329&
Having some solid fuel tabs is always a good idea. Makes a fire alot easier to build, they're very light, use little space, and they store very well without fear of going boom if temp gets too high or pressure changes or they experience an impact.
Compasses:
I like the Army's compasses for sheer survivability...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COMPASS-US-Army-/151073530483?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item232caf2273
Silva, excellent compasses! Just can't take the same level of a beating.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silva-Tech-...605?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ec8edddb5
Or
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silva-Lensa...600?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ac56cf330
Anyone have anything to add or argue?
This is like mine:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-J-M...760?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item257fd59d10
Nice one here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marttiini-N...759?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item25786d5ba7
Or
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ONTARIO-499...942?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item5af2a4660e
Alot of folks have seen Marttini's as their fishing scaling knives are sold almost everywhere in US sporting goods/hunting shops.
Ok, stoves cause ya gotta cook n stay warm! My suggestions are...
For desert dwellers as in-vehicle temps in summer easily crest 110f by 100pm, i'd recommend these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ESBIT-Solid...203?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d0e1cc0e3
Or
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Single-Burn...482?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4846199ae2
Or
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Esbit-Campi...940?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a81ad8d54
For folks in cooler/cold areas:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSR-Pocket-...329?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4852595849
Or
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSR-Whisper...509&pid=100005&prg=1088&rk=2&sd=310619232329&
Having some solid fuel tabs is always a good idea. Makes a fire alot easier to build, they're very light, use little space, and they store very well without fear of going boom if temp gets too high or pressure changes or they experience an impact.
Compasses:
I like the Army's compasses for sheer survivability...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COMPASS-US-Army-/151073530483?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item232caf2273
Silva, excellent compasses! Just can't take the same level of a beating.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silva-Tech-...605?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ec8edddb5
Or
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silva-Lensa...600?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ac56cf330
Anyone have anything to add or argue?
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