WentWindrock 2014 Sept 24th-28th

FFPEAVES

FFPEAVES

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chattanooga, tn
Ok now my question is and call me dumb but basically the $35 a person is to buy a t-shirt some stickers and 2 meals? I don't see why you "have" to pay this to do the trail rides if you still have to pay the $17 a person per day also? It looks like this being a huge event that they would work out something with it to where the 35 allows you without the 17 or something to that nature can someone explain please
 
Diadaga

Diadaga

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FFPEAVES said:
Ok now my question is and call me dumb but basically the $35 a person is to buy a t-shirt some stickers and 2 meals? I don't see why you "have" to pay this to do the trail rides if you still have to pay the $17 a person per day also? It looks like this being a huge event that they would work out something with it to where the 35 allows you without the 17 or something to that nature can someone explain please
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Because the $35 goes to the food, t shirts, your "free" raffle tickets and to WENT/nXm. The extra money is you paying the park to use their camping spots, showers, and trails.
 
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metzican

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Lafaytte, la
FFPEAVES said:
Ok now my question is and call me dumb but basically the $35 a person is to buy a t-shirt some stickers and 2 meals? I don't see why you "have" to pay this to do the trail rides if you still have to pay the $17 a person per day also? It looks like this being a huge event that they would work out something with it to where the 35 allows you without the 17 or something to that nature can someone explain please
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The $35 is for the T-short, stickers, and 2 meals. Along with this it also tries to help offset the cost of putting on the event. I see it like if I want to go to the fairgrounds and look around I can anytime but If I want to go when the fair or circus is there its going to cost more.
 
GPD605X

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Gulfport, MS
If you're not interested in the Raffle, T-Shirt or Stickers, I wouldn't see a problem with riding the trails with them as long as you pay the Park Fee's they have set. If you pay the fee's to the park, I think only the park can tell you where you can/cant go because there are tons of people out there riding trails that are not a part of the NXM/WentWindrock group. But like Diadaga said, the $35 goes in helping set up the entire event. The burgers, hotdogs, drinks, bbq and everything else isn't given to the staff for free, they have to pay for that stuff.
 
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metzican

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Lafaytte, la
drbandkgb said:
Just a little...
This year we are looking to include park passes with registration.. It's why you will notice a higher fee..

What does this fee get a person .

Each registration gets
1. Event shirt
1. Event lanyard (your pass for all event items)
2. Dinners.. We are doing a Wed night meet and greet with hamburgers hot dogs and drinks.. And the Saturday night BBQ.
2. Event stickers.. A nXm4 sticker for the Xterra peeps and a WENTwindrock sticker for everyone.
And 3 raffle tickets.. More can be purchased at the event..

Also this year you must be present to win raffle items...

We will also be collecting items for the local animal shelter..



If we haven't said it yet... WENT will have the only all ladies trail run on Saturday.
Drivers have to be of the female persuasion
And the men will have to be quiet ;)


Big things are coming.
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I think its a great Idea to put the Park Passes with Registration. I would rather make a one time payment.
 
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drbandkgb

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FFPEAVES said:
Ok now my question is and call me dumb but basically the $35 a person is to buy a t-shirt some stickers and 2 meals? I don't see why you "have" to pay this to do the trail rides if you still have to pay the $17 a person per day also? It looks like this being a huge event that they would work out something with it to where the 35 allows you without the 17 or something to that nature can someone explain please
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Remember there are no dumb questions.. Only dumb answers ;)

Yes the 35 or so pays for shirts food and such. Sand the weekend park fee is around 40.00.. We haven't set the final price just yet but it's looking around 80.00 total.
And like others said this dose not include camping or sleeping arrangements.

These events cost a bunch of money to do so that's why we charge fees to attend it.

Also we are not affiliated with windrock park.. The park offers zero discount to any event that operates on it's lands.

This place is 72,000 ac of land and 300 miles of trails... It's the largest off road park in the east coast...

These events are not always for everyone, so if you can not attend due to pricing we all understand.
 
FFPEAVES

FFPEAVES

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chattanooga, tn
Im not complaining or saying anything negative dont get me wrong i was just curious to as if this event brings sooo many people and everything there why wouldnt they work with the event staff to make it better to say to where people could pay one set price for the event etc instead of having to pay this person this then this person this and this person this and it still being a full price permit etc like for instance instead of $35 per person for the meet and then the $17 per permit and plus your camping they work together and it be example $60 per person and it cover your trail permit and event entry etc and they get a percentage (dicounted) to pad their pockets with for the permits and camping just makes more sense and thats how all the events i have ever been to operate but i dunno just my humble opinon cause truly windrock isnt hurting that bad for any kind of money to where they couldn't/wouldn't work with the event staff to come to a compermise to do this 1 time a year PLUS you would also charge all your vendors a price to set up there as well which in turn help pay for the event and lower attendees cost which would make it more pleasant and more people show up in this economy again this is just my opinion and my experiance putting on events for years for motorcycle clubs etc
 
robcarync

robcarync

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Raleigh, NC
I hear ya man...the case could be made that since the event will bring more people than normal to the park, that they could offer discounted/packaged deals...but my guess is...the park is asking...why should they? The question comes down to how many people are forced out of the event due to non-discounted pricing? My guess is not many. Face it...if we are willing to drive lifted SUVs at 12 MPG for hours and hours to meet up with our internet friends, we've already decided money is not the largest decision making factor to us :)

On a side note example, back in college with planning fraternity events, we had a number of people that would "attend the events" but not "participate" by paying the full reg fee. Maybe they don't want the T-shirts, etc and just want to hang out. It still undermines the event when you consider that the event in its entirety is what attracted the crowd that you want to hang out with to begin with. A lot of work goes into planning these things, so I completely understand the requirement of paying the event fee to participate in the trail rides.

Did someone answer the question as to if you pay registration per person or per truck? My wife to be will be joining in the festivities. Nevermind...I see per person, thanks
 
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FFPEAVES

FFPEAVES

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chattanooga, tn
oh i agree man ibeen putting on big rallys for motorcycles for awhile i know they arent cheap to put on i was just curious as to why this one wasnt like the other events i been to or done and just one price covers all type deal...but anyway i was told its per person not truck
 
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drbandkgb

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I don't think you guys understand how big this place is. Even though we may bring in 100 trucks it's a fraction of what they do on a Saturday.. This is not a mom and pop park.. It's a publicly traded company. The off road area isn't their main deal.. This is a mine 1st and for most.


NXm had been free for the 1st 3 years.. We had issues knowing how many to prepare for and the cost...


I'm not going to debate it..
Once you guys see what we did it may better explain things vs people that have never attended the event..

If not.. No harm or foul here...
Nothing good is free
 
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Prime

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In my opinion, any money spent to support the event and community is well spent. It's a huge event in a huge venue with more moving parts than most people realize.
 
Chetter

Chetter

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Location
Chattanooga, TN
I do have one question....sounds like a good plan to include the park fees in with the registration, but what about someone who already holds an annual permit to the park (which I will probably be next month...)?
 
Muadeeb

Muadeeb

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Dallas
If you got a season pass, good for you; you only have to pay the WENT fee. It would be a logistical nightmare to try and collect park fees and match them to the individuals and vehicles coming through the gate. Not something I would want to attempt. At least they're telling you there will be another $17/person/day upfront.
 
Chetter

Chetter

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Chattanooga, TN
Muadeeb said:
If you got a season pass, good for you; you only have to pay the WENT fee. It would be a logistical nightmare to try and collect park fees and match them to the individuals and vehicles coming through the gate. Not something I would want to attempt. At least they're telling you there will be another $17/person/day upfront.
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Yeah....that's what I was thinking. I don't want to make things any more difficult than I'm sure planning the event already is. I just thought i would throw a possible situation out there before everything got finalized.
 
JayAre

JayAre

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Nashville
FFPEAVES does not like using periods. Period.

I kind of like the fact that the camping fees aren't included in the price. I'll most likely be getting a hotel nearby, or a cabin of some sort, so being charged for camping, when I won't be, would suck. Look at the cost for MOAB... this is no more, and from what I've been told, this is a better event. To each their own though, in my mind it's most definitely worth it.
 
akinc

akinc

Skid Plates
Location
Dayton, Tennessee
Nothing is free. And it's your decision to not want to join in on the fun of this wonderful event. But you get to hang out with other like minded guys and gals. Eat some good BBQ and ride trails for 3 days. I will gladly pay whatever I need to to enjoy the time off with my daughter and my new Xterra friends. And have a great time at the raffle on Saturday.

The money doesn't go to make the staff rich or to pay for anybody's gas or hotel rooms or parts for their truck. It goes into the community. So events like this can happen. This event is just going to get bigger and better every year. It has grown so much and I've only gone the past 2 years.

If this is rude to anybody, I don't apologize. Just the way I feel.
 
Chetter

Chetter

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Chattanooga, TN
akinc said:
Nothing is free. And it's your decision to not want to join in on the fun of this wonderful event. But you get to hang out with other like minded guys and gals. Eat some good BBQ and ride trails for 3 days. I will gladly pay whatever I need to to enjoy the time off with my daughter and my new Xterra friends. And have a great time at the raffle on Saturday.

The money doesn't go to make the staff rich or to pay for anybody's gas or hotel rooms or parts for their truck. It goes into the community. So events like this can happen. This event is just going to get bigger and better every year. It has grown so much and I've only gone the past 2 years.

If this is rude to anybody, I don't apologize. Just the way I feel.
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Well put! Last year was my 1st nXm and we didn't know what to expect at all. What we experienced was well worth the price! We had an absolutely wonderful time! A great group of people...on a great bunch of trails...in a great park...led by great trail technicians and organizers....with really great bbq...and great products donated for the raffle. Yes...it was GREAT!...lol. This year we decided to stay in one of the cabins in the park..(already have one reserved..lol) so we can stay alittle closer to the action!

Why is September so far away?!?!
 
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drbandkgb

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Chetter.. Hit me up and I'll work with you...

Wentwindrock is a non profit company.. We give back to the communities we invade.. Each of the past year profits have paid for items the event needs..

Trust me year one I lost money on this and paid for others to have a good time... Oh and I was unemployed so I do know about the economics of these events.

I'll stop here... If you guys want to come out awesome!
No hard feelings in asking questions..


If any people that "have" attended want to speak up please do
 
Chetter

Chetter

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Chattanooga, TN
We and the wife....she has some back problems so we need a little more than tent camping. Last year we stayed at the Comfort Inn in Oak Ridge (highly recommended BTW.....excellent staff and a discount for Windrock users...) but decided we didn't want to drive back and forth this year. We got one of the small cabins near the rock challenge area.

Didn't Casey get a cabin last year?
 
gamecock257

gamecock257

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Location
Clinton, SC
Just gonna throw this out there. Last year was huge! I can't imagine the hours of work and the amount of money it cost to put on nXm 3 but I can tell you it wasn't cheap and was planned many months ahead of time. I know a lot of work has/is going into the event now, and were still 6 months out.

$35 is a small price to pay for 2 good meals, a shirt, some stickers, and all of the planning and work that goes into this.

Anyone that is on the fence about going this year, come out! I promise you will have fun and you won't think a thing about the small price you had to pay to do it.





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robcarync

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Raleigh, NC
caseycamby said:
Just pay the money and go! ;) It's worth every penny, you won't regret it!
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Agreed...and I haven't been to this event before.

The event is for a good cause...keeping a tight knit Xterra community.


So it sounds like an ESTIMATED $80 per person gets you into the event, including trail access (assuming that is what you mean by rolling trail pass into reg fee...)? Is that correct?

Lodging not included, so count on the park camping fee, a hotel, cabin, etc.


Now the question is...will my wife to be like wheeling enough for me to pay the money for her...

...OR...I could look at it as an investment into our relationship, by getting her addicted to my hobbies... hmmmmmm


:)
 
FFPEAVES

FFPEAVES

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chattanooga, tn
Ok people I wasn't complaint about the cost or anything for that matter I was just simply asking as to why it wasn't included etc. It was just a basic curious question now my issue is it seems that people here took offense to my question or what not and now kind of in my opinion are being smart @$$ in their post reguarding it or what not again I was just curious as to why wasn't complaining or bashing anything or anyone I was simply asking due to comparison to other large events I been to I am new to the X nation and how their events operate etc and if it sounds like I'm being an @$$ yea I kinda am now due to I feel people's response to my posts etc about this matter if I'm taking them wrong due to not being able to tell sarcasm and tones through the text I'm sorry but if you were actually meaning to be that way I'm not sorry cause again I'm new to this and was just asking so I knew and would appreciate it if people would treat me with the same respect I do them again if I'm just taking everything wrong and to heart I'm sorry but that is just how it is coming across
 
gamecock257

gamecock257

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Location
Clinton, SC
FFPEAVES I didn't take offense to anything you said. I was just trying to explain what the money went to, and to help maybe justify that cost for you or anyone else that wondered where that money went. We would love to have you attend, the more people the better.

You'll find that XN is not a community of people that bash each other or the new guy.

Any kind of event we as Xterra enthuisasts can have is a good thing, no matter how big or small. We are always overlooked in the offroading community, and stuff like this helps to get new people and vendors aware of the Xterra and the great people who own them.
 
FFPEAVES

FFPEAVES

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chattanooga, tn
It's ok and again I'm sry to put it that way I just felt some people were kind of attitudish with their responses and such and everything. I don't need to justify it in anyway if I'm out on trails and having fun it's worth it to me I was just curious to why it wasn't just one cost.
 
robcarync

robcarync

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FFPEAVES said:
Ok people I wasn't complaint about the cost or anything for that matter I was just simply asking as to why it wasn't included etc. It was just a basic curious question now my issue is it seems that people here took offense to my question or what not and now kind of in my opinion are being smart @$$ in their post reguarding it or what not again I was just curious as to why wasn't complaining or bashing anything or anyone I was simply asking due to comparison to other large events I been to I am new to the X nation and how their events operate etc and if it sounds like I'm being an @$$ yea I kinda am now due to I feel people's response to my posts etc about this matter if I'm taking them wrong due to not being able to tell sarcasm and tones through the text I'm sorry but if you were actually meaning to be that way I'm not sorry cause again I'm new to this and was just asking so I knew and would appreciate it if people would treat me with the same respect I do them again if I'm just taking everything wrong and to heart I'm sorry but that is just how it is coming across
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I didn't take offense to your question...it's the same concept of a "group buy" or "volume discounts" etc. I don't think that is an unreasonable question, not because you are "nitpicking over price", but out of curiosity for how the event is organized. I have been around fraternity events in college with a similar set up you are referencing...getting special all inclusive group rates...from blocks of hotel rooms to renting out restaurants, etc and writing one check to the event host which they then disburse to the people needing paid. So I understand what type of events you are comparing it to. Whether an event is set up like that, depends on how willing the merchant/park/hotel/etc is to working with a group.

From other's perspective, they have poured countless hours and dollars into making this event what it is (and I have yet to attend...I am excited about making it this year!), so I think they just interpreted your question as saying the price wasn't fair.


Bottom line is the park is completely separate from the event. The event fee goes for all the things the organizers bring (dinner, grilling, t shirts, sticker, etc) and the cost to use the park (trail fee, camping fee, etc) still goes straight to the park...which the price is not negotiable.

Honestly, I think it makes more sense to keep the reg fee separate from the park usage. Have the event fee, then go pay the park for whatever days you are wheeling or camping. That way if I have a season pass, or I can only wheel one day, etc...that transaction is between me and the park. I'm not planning the event though, so I don't really care one way or another. I'll be there, fully paid.


A thought to everyone on the importance of keeping and supporting a great group:

As I mentioned earlier, even if you just want to wheel and hang out, but don't want to get a t shirt, raffles, etc...remember that the event organizer created this group of people. Without their effort and work, the group you want to hang out with wouldn't even be there. If you just show up to wheel and hang out but can't fork out the dough to support our community of Xterra wheelers, you guys are schmucks.

The event is more than some food and stickers...it is the people that make events what they are...and it is the 'intangible' X-factor for why reg fees are always worth it, even if you don't care about the t shirt.
 
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FFPEAVES

FFPEAVES

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chattanooga, tn
You hit it right on the head rob thanx that's all I was asking and saying wasn't trying to disrespect anyone or make them think I was downing the event or cost was just asking due to that aspect you touched on
 
gamecock257

gamecock257

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Location
Clinton, SC
Camping was fun, but I'm gonna be honest, if you split the cost of a cabin its only a few dollars more a night than primitive camping. And with all the rain we had last year thats worth it to me. Plus if you stay at the cabins at the park you miss none of the shenanigans that go on at the event area.

So anyone that is considering getting a cabin and needs a roommate I'm open for discussion lol.
 
caseycamby

caseycamby

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Marion, NC
I loved the cabin! I loved it even more when it was raining ;)

I was down for down for camping but my parents came as well and mom wasn't having it haha. I'll be camping at spring fling fun!
 
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